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Phantom Stranger
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Victory for Terrorism
by Yerusalyim inthe terrorists won a great victory in spain.
mind you, i'm all for the democratic process...it's great...and had the spanish decided to part ways with the us of it's own volition, great!...however, the socialists were project to not win a majority in this weekends election...that is until the terrorist attack.
now, with the socialist coming into power...and the promise to both withdraw the 1300 spanish soldiers from iraq and to part ways with the us on foriegn policy we can look for more such attacks in other countries.
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Congratulations, Spain - first government to fall because of Iraq, Bush!
by TheOldHippie in.
congratulations to the spanish people, who voted the socialists to power as a protest against the conservative government's supporting bush's war on iraq, and for claiming the madrid bombs were acts of the eta nationalists and not an al-qaida attack because of the war on iraq.. so one government has fallen, and there are many more to come, bush.. who says these days ain't fun?
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Phantom Stranger
OK, I let my anger at being accused of being against fighting terror get the better of me. My honest apologies for typing something I should only have muttered under my breath.
Are you accusing someone who disagrees with the current actions of the US government re: Iraq as being on the side of the terrorists?
Guys, seriously, I have been posting to both these threads all day, and working pretty hard to avoid being knee-jerk - you can disagree with the positions, but why tell me that I won't make an argument? I've got multiple posts setting up an argument - the only thing you've argued with is a statement I made explaining my personal opinion about a presidential candidate, which was obviously off-topic!
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Iraqi expat group admits feeding bad intel to US, press
by Phantom Stranger inreport: newspapers were deceived by iraqi defectors
from http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=90&u=/ep/20040316/en_bpiep/reportnewspapersweredeceivedbyiraqidefectors&printer=1
new york bush administration officials were not the only people duped by tips from iraqi defectors in the run-up to the 2003 war.
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Phantom Stranger
Report: Newspapers Were Deceived by Iraqi Defectors NEW YORK Bush administration officials were not the only people duped by tips from Iraqi defectors in the run-up to the 2003 war. Newspaper reporters also received, and printed, information from them, much of which has turned out to be false, according to a lengthy report this morning by Jonathan S. Landay and Tish Wells of Knight Ridder news service.
Knight Ridder's Washington bureau, which has broken numerous stories related to the Iraq war in recent months, has obtained a June 26, 2002, letter from the Iraqi National Congress (INC) to a U.S. Senate committee that listed 108 articles based on often fabricated information provided by the INC's "Information Collection Program," which was funded by the U.S. These articles appeared in The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, Chicago Sun-Times, The Times of London and two Knight Ridder papers, The Kansas City (Mo.) Star and The Philadelphia Daily News, among others.
"Feeding the information to the news media," Landay and Wells write, "as well as to selected administration officials and members of Congress, helped foster an impression that there were multiple sources of intelligence on Iraq's illicit weapons programs and links to Bin Laden. In fact, many of the allegations came from the same half-dozen defectors, weren't confirmed by other intelligence and were hotly disputed by intelligence professionals at the CIA, the Defense Department and the State Department."
In at least one case, the reporters reveal, the INC made a defector available to a reporter even before the information had been vetted by U.S. officials. That defector claimed in a Dec. 20, 2001, article by Judith Miller in The New York Times that there were biological, nuclear and chemical warfare facilities located underground in Iraq. Nothing of the sort has since been found.
"U.S. intelligence officials have determined that virtually all of the defectors' information was marginal or useless, and that some of the defectors were fabricators or embellished the threat from Saddam," Landay and Wells write. "Many of the articles relied on interviews with the same defectors, who appeared to change facts with each telling."
The INC remains on the Pentagon payroll.
A copy of the INC letter can be found at krwashington.com.
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Victory for Terrorism
by Yerusalyim inthe terrorists won a great victory in spain.
mind you, i'm all for the democratic process...it's great...and had the spanish decided to part ways with the us of it's own volition, great!...however, the socialists were project to not win a majority in this weekends election...that is until the terrorist attack.
now, with the socialist coming into power...and the promise to both withdraw the 1300 spanish soldiers from iraq and to part ways with the us on foriegn policy we can look for more such attacks in other countries.
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Phantom Stranger
Read my posts.
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Congratulations, Spain - first government to fall because of Iraq, Bush!
by TheOldHippie in.
congratulations to the spanish people, who voted the socialists to power as a protest against the conservative government's supporting bush's war on iraq, and for claiming the madrid bombs were acts of the eta nationalists and not an al-qaida attack because of the war on iraq.. so one government has fallen, and there are many more to come, bush.. who says these days ain't fun?
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Phantom Stranger
"One group sees the terrorists as the problem. The other group sees people who try to fight against it as the problem."
Bullshit.
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Victory for Terrorism
by Yerusalyim inthe terrorists won a great victory in spain.
mind you, i'm all for the democratic process...it's great...and had the spanish decided to part ways with the us of it's own volition, great!...however, the socialists were project to not win a majority in this weekends election...that is until the terrorist attack.
now, with the socialist coming into power...and the promise to both withdraw the 1300 spanish soldiers from iraq and to part ways with the us on foriegn policy we can look for more such attacks in other countries.
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Phantom Stranger
Jeez, at least attribute your Bush quotes...
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Victory for Terrorism
by Yerusalyim inthe terrorists won a great victory in spain.
mind you, i'm all for the democratic process...it's great...and had the spanish decided to part ways with the us of it's own volition, great!...however, the socialists were project to not win a majority in this weekends election...that is until the terrorist attack.
now, with the socialist coming into power...and the promise to both withdraw the 1300 spanish soldiers from iraq and to part ways with the us on foriegn policy we can look for more such attacks in other countries.
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Phantom Stranger
How can I mind my own business on a public forum? (BTW, the "grrr" was comical).
I did not see the added data because you added it later... so now it is not identical, true...
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Victory for Terrorism
by Yerusalyim inthe terrorists won a great victory in spain.
mind you, i'm all for the democratic process...it's great...and had the spanish decided to part ways with the us of it's own volition, great!...however, the socialists were project to not win a majority in this weekends election...that is until the terrorist attack.
now, with the socialist coming into power...and the promise to both withdraw the 1300 spanish soldiers from iraq and to part ways with the us on foriegn policy we can look for more such attacks in other countries.
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Phantom Stranger
thichi:
From the Posting Guidelines:
Please don't add the same comment to more than one forum.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/14/68378/1071385/post.ashx#1071385
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Victory for Terrorism
by Yerusalyim inthe terrorists won a great victory in spain.
mind you, i'm all for the democratic process...it's great...and had the spanish decided to part ways with the us of it's own volition, great!...however, the socialists were project to not win a majority in this weekends election...that is until the terrorist attack.
now, with the socialist coming into power...and the promise to both withdraw the 1300 spanish soldiers from iraq and to part ways with the us on foriegn policy we can look for more such attacks in other countries.
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Phantom Stranger
Two of the things I hope for from Kerry as a leader are the ability to make reasoned decisions when he has time, and to make good snap decisions when he doesn't have time.
For whatever reasons, Gore did not convince enough voters that he could make snap decisions.
I think that Kerrys' record in the Senate speaks to the first hope, but I don't think anyone's record in government can speak to the second unless they have been in charge of something during a crisis - a wartime President, or Mayor of NYC in September of 2001, for example. Or in command during combat, as Kerry has. It may not be much to base an evaluation on, but I'm going with it... as I am very displeased with both Bush's reasoned and snap decisions, and would like to try someone else.
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Victory for Terrorism
by Yerusalyim inthe terrorists won a great victory in spain.
mind you, i'm all for the democratic process...it's great...and had the spanish decided to part ways with the us of it's own volition, great!...however, the socialists were project to not win a majority in this weekends election...that is until the terrorist attack.
now, with the socialist coming into power...and the promise to both withdraw the 1300 spanish soldiers from iraq and to part ways with the us on foriegn policy we can look for more such attacks in other countries.
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Phantom Stranger
FYI - the commonly-referred to "93% of the time" figure refers either to the fact that Kerry voted the same as Ted Kennedy 93% of the 28% of the votes he attended in 2003, or to a "93" score assigned senators by a liberal group (see below).
From the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A22260-2004Feb7?language=printer
Kerry's 19-year record in the Senate includes thousands of votes, floor statements and debates, committee hearings and news conferences. That long paper trail shows that, on most issues, Kerry built a solidly liberal record, including support for abortion rights, gun control and environmental protection, and opposition to costly weapons programs, tax cuts for wealthy Americans and a 1996 federal law designed to discourage same-sex marriages.
But there are exceptions to that generally liberal voting record. Kerry voted for the welfare overhaul bill in 1996 that President Bill Clinton signed over the vociferous opposition of the party's liberal wing; supported free-trade pacts, such as the North American Free Trade Agreement that organized labor opposed; backed deficit-reduction efforts in the mid-1980s, which many other Democrats opposed; and was distinctly cool toward Clinton's health care proposal, which died after being pilloried as the embodiment of big government.
From http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200401220835.asp
For example, Kerry has earned a lifetime rating of 93 from the liberal Americans for Democratic Action, which selects key votes each year and rates lawmakers according to a perfect liberal score of 100.
Viewed from the other side of the ideological divide, Kerry has a lifetime rating of six from the conservative American Conservative Union, which uses a similar methodology to rate lawmakers according to a perfect conservative score of 100. Kerry's rating is the same as Leahy's and New York's Charles Schumer's, although it is slightly less liberal than Kennedy's lifetime rating of three.